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into a discussion on the net about the matter, and would like to let
you know what happened:
Something has to be done. Also it will no doubt help the dx-stations sort out those calling. Or has the good old days gone??? Equipment and power from the dx-stations results in being heard in whole of the world at once, and I think we are more than 1 million hams now?There are at least more than 10.000 participating in CQ WW DX Contest...
So, what to do?
by N3QE on September
Few DXpeditions have
the really super top notch operators and operation.
I can think of a good
handful of skilled DX-peditioners who can control the crowds, and
Martii is one of them.
These top notch DX-ers
are fabulous CW ops, they put up antennas that are extremely effective,
It is no wonder there
are so many frustrated hams in pileups......
N3OX on September 30, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
My emotional response
to FT5GA being a bust here so far doesn't make me behave badly in
So while I have no rational right to complain about *ME* not being able to work any particular DXPedition, and *ME* not being able to work them is certainly not a "valid excuse" for bad behavior, I also think it's kind of silly to expect something other than bad behavior when there's a somewhat high profile DXpedition that is looking more and more hopeless for a lot of the people who want to work it.
I'm 30 years old and have 304 worked. I'll get Glorioso next time, and actually have worked it once, just no card (again, my fault, 100%). But I still find myself bummed out that I probably won't get them this time. If I were also an a**hole I'd be a potential source of real trouble, and given my need level for FR/G that's silly. The headache inducing QRM, the jammers, the constant callers...these are not rational, unemotional people doing some utility calculation about whether or not it's worth spending time on FT5GA. These are people engaged in some sort of emotional crisis because they can't get a Q, and I very much doubt that all those people need this for their "last one."
Not the propagation, that's a separate thing. I'm referring to the economic conditions: demand for FT5GA is so far beyond the supply, that it's not worth my frustration to even try.
Now, we can certainly
discuss the reason for the demand: partially, FT5 is high on the most-wanted
list, and partially because of all the pre-trip publicity.The demand
is unrealistic and it is not going to be satisfied. Not the DXer's
fault, but expectations are not properly set for the chasers of the
DX... and that's trouble. Remember Bouvet in 1991 (I think it was)?
The entire 20 meter SSB segment was chaos.
It's like when all the parents went crazy for those Tickle-Me-Elmo dolls 10 years ago at Christmas, and grown adults were fighting it out over a silly stuffed muppet. Artificially increased demand (publicity), and as a result every kid wanted one.
Not an excuse for the
behavior, just an explanation of sorts...
Whether on CW or SSB,
it should be possible to limit the dx-hunters by their number, country
or what else,
Listen at the bands
right now for FT5 and TX5, callers are occupying up to 20 kcs on some
of the bands. Why is that necessary?
73 de Jim, LA6CF
Jim, with a bit more effort to figure out how/where the DX is working/listening, you probably wont have to call where "nobody is listening"
I am no expert and dont
have a big gun station, but since starting DXing about 3 1/2 years
ago, I have 264 worked, and 255 confirmed . Would I have had more,
if the DX was working by the numbers, or by a list or God forbid,
by a stinking DX net?
There are 3 areas of the world to concentrate on for the purposes of DXing, which is to say, where the biggest audience is. Europe, North America and Japan. Any DX location will be good for one of these, OK for the second and damned hard for the third. DX in the south pacific is dirt-easy for JAs, modest for west-coast NA, hard for east-coast NA and very hard fot western Europe. Indian Ocean is great for Europe, sucky for NA, and Navassa and Desecheo are chip shots with a peanut whistle for NA but very difficult to JAs.
That said, let's say
you're in a needed location in europe (HV, SV/A, 3A, etc).
Now, try this instead. First, where's the rarest area from where you are located? Probably west-coast US if you're activating a rare one in Europe. When the charts say there's propagation, get on and call NA West Coast only, then work the pile down as far as you can, then go NA only in general. Repeat for JAs/Asia, who'll be the next-hardest. After that, when the bands are closed to NA and Asia work the local Europeans till you're blue in the face.
Same thing for Desecheo or Navassa or Malpelo, etc -- work the JAs in their window exclusively, then eastern Europe and finally the rest of NA. Everybody's happy.
Going by numbers is the easiest way to get a lot of unhappy hams whining their brains out on the clusters--and worse--on top of the DX.
As to your complaint
on wasted bandwidth, I agree to a limited extent. I have little respect
for any operation that runs more than 7-10 kHz on CW and more than
15 kHz on SSB, and even at that, only in the first few days of a top-ten-needed
Jim, it is a combination of bad manners in the pileup and DXpedition operators who sometimes let a bad caller through. These people call and call and never stop. They call during a QSO in progress! Furthermore, if the DX waits 30-60 seconds in between QSOs, callers get desperate and begin to realize they have a very poor chance of getting through.
The constant callers
are terrible. The DX says "W2IR something? Whiskey Two India
Radio Again Please?
This is the thing many
people seem not to understand: that as soon as the DX operator has
a partial callsign,
I hear many stations
who don't care how complete a partial callsign is, they will call
Some DX ops are very iron-fisted about this and their pileups are more in control... the constant callers eventually figure out there is no chance unless they call only after the "QRZ?"
There's no simple formula
to fix it: only a really strong operator on the other end can keep
control, make sure the bad callers don't get QSO's until they behave,
and keep the rate up so that no one gets desperate. If any of this
is relaxed, a big, sloppy, stupid pileup tends to result.
by LA6CF on October
4, 2009 Mail this to a friend!
I was on air back from 1956 to 1965, and again in the beginning of the 90'es. I guess there wasn't that many hams at that time. Then it worked by numbers.
You may have put your finger to the right problem - the callers. Their behaviour is really bad today, calling and calling, whether they seem to hear the dx-pedition or not. May be it is here we should put some effort - through magazines and web-pages - try to put some good behaviour into their minds?
I fully agree in your opinion on looking for one specific area, some dx-peditions even inform that they will look for one part of the world for the next 15 minutes. i.e. 'NA only - EU QRX 15 mins'.
Of course it doesn't help, the Italians etc are still calling - but that's probably where we have to work for a change.
However, there is another
second problem that might give the lower powered stations some frustration
I often only manage
to hear the expedition on only 2 or perhaps three bands, when its
probably only workable on one band. See what I mean?
Thanks again for all replies.
73 de Jim, LA6CF